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bykfixer said:
This one is still going? 😱
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Sorry for the long essay, but since this discussion keeps going, here are a few things you don't hear a lot about. Read if you want, or skip on by. With this cold weather, I'm seeing all of these articles about EVs under-performing. One says to put it in your garage to keep it warm while charging. Knowing how volatile these batteries can be, and how nearly impossible it is to extinguish the battery fire, and that many garages are integrated into the basement or on the end of the home, NO WAY. I'm nervous about charging a Li-ion cell for a flashlight in the living room. EV? - no way. How will this fare for homeowners insurance? I can picture my agent doing a back flip and saying, "you wanna WHAT? Park a wet snow covered EV in your basement and plug it in? cha-ching. You rates just quadrupled." Even in a detached garage, my motorcycles, tools, trailer, tractor - no way. I'd want that thing as far from a structure as I could get it.

Another issue: I read an article from an electrical engineering point of view about a year ago. I can't find it now because big tech buries articles that don't fit the narrative. It pointed out a few interesting things. Like that most city blocks don't have the electrical infrastructure capacity for more than a few homes per block to have their own charger. And that the same issue would arise with charging stations in cities with electrical capacity, and that they take up so much room, that many towns wouldn't have the space. With the time it takes, you have to have way more room for many vehicles to wait their turn. You can't just plop a charging station where every gas station was, the space isn't there.

And who pays for all of this upgrading and building? The consumer. I don't know what it costs to charge one now, but it will only go up. I can't imagine a country being locked into and totally dependent on EVs. Get your wallets out. Now add in the vulnerability of our power grid to terrorists that not much is being done about, and having open borders, and you've just made everyday transportation extremely vulnerable.

So if we do all of this expanding of charging, and putting stations in every home, what happens then? Power companies burning more black gold - COAL. There would be a huge demand for more electricity. Or go to more nuclear plants? Lots of opposition to that already. Californizstan and other states already having blackouts and telling people to turn your air conditioners off in peak heat. Now add millions of EVs? Do we want to move forward or backward in our country? Combined with the environmental mess of battery disposal and fossil fuel use, are we really doing anything positive for the environment / climate?

And lastly, we all know that our flashlight batteries degrade and need replacing at some point. I don't have first hand experience with an EV, but I've read about exorbitant costs for battery replacement, where sometimes it's not even worth it. With the initial cost of the EV, do you really want to buy a new one every few years?

Bottom line, we're just not there yet ... and I personally have seen no conclusive proof, just speculation, that man is really the cause of the very slight fluctuations in the temperature of planet earth, or that EVs will help. Going back hundreds of years, those fluctuations happened, way before the automobile came about. Many climatologists & engineers are on opposite ends of the spectrum with each other, but the media largely shows you just one side of it. Just look at how much mis-info was spewed and reversed regarding Covid, masks, vaccines, etc. I have very little trust in gov't and the media, because too many lobbyists, foreign as well as domestic, have created too many money driven agendas. So many times I've trusted my gut instincts, and they've turned out to be correct in the long run.

And to add: If an EV works for you and your location, I'm good with that. Go for it! Choice and variety are good things. Me? I'll keep my Ford V-8, my Harley Davidson V-Twin, and my Triumph parallel twin - and no one should be trying to take them away from me in a "free society". Fill 'er up with premium, boys, I've worked hard all my life to be able to afford it.
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While this is a thoughtful essay, it is wrong on almost every point. Mostly FUD and slightly unrelated personal experience related. At least you are trying. There is an issue with hydrogen vehicles. Not supposed to be garaged. They leak tiny amounts of hydrogen which could ignite in a tight space. Dead end technology anyway. I have been building and buying and using electric vehicles for decades. I have charged, nicad, NMHI, and A123 26650 batteries. Never had a fire. No 18650, those are the dangerous ones. Most people charge at home, so EV chargers in the wild are for travelers and should expect higher pricing...just like Exon or Shell...which are installing chargers. As far as insurance, no raise when going from gas and veggie diesel to Nissan Leaf. A $100 raise per 6 months going from Leaf to Tesla. I have a 200 amp service, my current charger is 32 amps. I think we're good. Nobody I know has level 3 charging at home. There just isn't a need. It takes me 10 seconds to charge. 5 seconds to plug in before bed and 5 seconds to unplug in the morning when the car is needed. There are millions of untapped parking spaces for EV charging. All easily fixed with a backhoe and conduit putting good Americans to work. Personally after cutting off gas service (which saves the access fee) Our yearly cost for energy was $550. We do have a modest 2.4kw solar panel. This includes charging cars and free charging at work. Nice side benefit. BTW, who do you think pays for every public works. We do. That includes gas stations. Don't forget, electricity is everywhere. Gas is at gas stations, which are closing down due to regulations and liability. An electric motor will happily run under water. As will electric lights. I know this from a submerged car I dove into water to inspect. For all you survivalists, you can be off grid with solar and electric powered devices. If you use gas you have to come back to civilization. Get ready for it. Every new home must have solar. That's thinking ahead. California already mandates it. That's a lot of power. My MAGA brother put it on his house to run the air-conditioning. So the power is there if you go for renewables. Even W. Virginia is doing it. I have already had 5 Factory EVs. Not a single battery replacement over 11 years. My 2016 Leaf sold used with 98k on the clock for$ 6k with 9 bars left. 32k MSRP. Paid new $13,550. I know how to find a bargain. I think I have gone on long enough, I am not answering any more of your concerns, most based on fearful speculation and your admitting to knowing nothing about EVs. For my part I had fun with my Honda 90, 150, 175, 400, 550 and Helix. But I had just as much fun with my Vego and Lepton Scooters. Not to mention myrid bicycles and a couple of tadpole trikes. Yes you worked hard and have the money, but sadly all your toys are poisonous to you and all around you. It is your choice to realize that. I cannot force you. I can only give you my experience. I will add, my son's asthma went away when he moved from California to Portland, Oregon. I pity all those living East of me. Norway has worse average climate than our extreme weather. They are 81% EV ownership. Gas cars fail and burn more than EVs. When EVs fail it's news, when gas vehicles fail it's expected and expensive. The permafrost is melting..? Can I add that, or don't you believe your eyes.

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mrfixitman said:
…it is wrong on almost every point. Mostly FUD and slightly unrelated personal experience related.
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You keep making posts that self advertise what you're getting ready to write.
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Once the flame of narcissistic hubris is lit, it is hard to extinguish.
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There, that about describes the bulk of your totally self-unaware gaslighting content.
 
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thinking of trying to charge a 18650 at -5 degree F unless its unsafe to even try?
 
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