swhs
Newly Enlightened
Re: Philips LBL vs. Trelock LS 950
No, my posting was just after BlauBrummBrumm made his assesment on radforum.de, and I also got a report from Vienna giving the same view of the beamshape, which was confirmed by his beamshots.
Well, there is some difference of opinion on e.g. which beamshape is best, but I think maximum brightness of the beam, on the road, is similar for Edelux, LS950, Philips LBL. The LS950 can appear brighter than another lamp of lower colour temperature. The difference between these 3 is really that the LBL maintains a high brightness over a larger area, and it has a far longer throw than the edelux and presumably the LS950 (I can see 70m far with the LBL on unlit roads, as opposed to 45m (50m at best) with the Edelux, not sure about the LS950), the width is obviously much bigger, it lights up the entire road. If you need more brightness, concentrating the light on a narrower strip of light as the LS950 does, can work, but to be honest, for most people the brightness of the LBL is enough for just about any speed. Of course not everyone's eyes are the same sensitivity, but to light up the road brighter a huge increase in lightoutput is needed because of the non-linear nature of human vision: This is also why camera's have trouble capturing what we see btw. (esp. the edges are not shown as we see them, dark instead of somewhat lit up)
I read that for a 20% increase in perceived brightness (what we experience as brightness) the actualy physical (measured) brightness must increase 100%...
So for a little bit of extra brightness you need double the power. This is why there is not going to be much improvement over the LBL soon.
I do wonder how well the B&M Big bang does, if anyone has one he can lend out for a test/comparison, I'm interested!
Btw., the Philips LBL is now a little over 2 years old... I already thought LEDs should be made in not square shape, but rectangles, for cutoff beams, and the altilon does something which comes close to that. Perhaps that is needed to get the really big improvements, as making a cutoff optic with XP-G and XM-L is not easy at all. I really wonder how well the Philips e-bike lamp is going to perform (which uses Altilons).
Hi all, hi Wouter!
I must protest.
I cannot underline the cons! I think swhs had read my new posts. Or not?
No, my posting was just after BlauBrummBrumm made his assesment on radforum.de, and I also got a report from Vienna giving the same view of the beamshape, which was confirmed by his beamshots.
Well, there is some difference of opinion on e.g. which beamshape is best, but I think maximum brightness of the beam, on the road, is similar for Edelux, LS950, Philips LBL. The LS950 can appear brighter than another lamp of lower colour temperature. The difference between these 3 is really that the LBL maintains a high brightness over a larger area, and it has a far longer throw than the edelux and presumably the LS950 (I can see 70m far with the LBL on unlit roads, as opposed to 45m (50m at best) with the Edelux, not sure about the LS950), the width is obviously much bigger, it lights up the entire road. If you need more brightness, concentrating the light on a narrower strip of light as the LS950 does, can work, but to be honest, for most people the brightness of the LBL is enough for just about any speed. Of course not everyone's eyes are the same sensitivity, but to light up the road brighter a huge increase in lightoutput is needed because of the non-linear nature of human vision: This is also why camera's have trouble capturing what we see btw. (esp. the edges are not shown as we see them, dark instead of somewhat lit up)
I read that for a 20% increase in perceived brightness (what we experience as brightness) the actualy physical (measured) brightness must increase 100%...
So for a little bit of extra brightness you need double the power. This is why there is not going to be much improvement over the LBL soon.
I do wonder how well the B&M Big bang does, if anyone has one he can lend out for a test/comparison, I'm interested!
"It's clear: The Philips LBL remains king in usable lightoutput and beam quality. Supernova Airstream & Trelock LS 950 are no match at all."
:scowl: No, all of them are no match! Waiting of a better lamp in 2012 or 2013.
Btw., the Philips LBL is now a little over 2 years old... I already thought LEDs should be made in not square shape, but rectangles, for cutoff beams, and the altilon does something which comes close to that. Perhaps that is needed to get the really big improvements, as making a cutoff optic with XP-G and XM-L is not easy at all. I really wonder how well the Philips e-bike lamp is going to perform (which uses Altilons).