Thought about you guys when I saw the following news feed.
Btw, she's on a $25M Bond.
Btw, she's on a $25M Bond.
Modern. 380 rounds vs 9mm
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IMA SOL MAN
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Beretta was founded in Italy in 1526
My 9mm 92FS is in Limited Edition Sniper Grey cerakote
a local 'have everything' store with a large sporting goods section mistakenly marked it down as a Clearance Item
because it was no longer going to be made.
They only had two, I got one of them(y)Any gun shop would know to add $100 to it's retail price....
Still feel like I stole it.
stock pic of Sniper Grey color,, I have great matching G10 grips on my 9mm (below is a .22)
IMA SOL MAN
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Just terribly poor tactics by the agents. Many of whom took out their main sidearms, and placed them on the seat next to them, in anticipation of the car stop. The car stop was made, their primary weapons went flying off after the cars crashed into the suspects' vehicle. Forcing them to rely on their less capable back-up pistols. One of the two agents who lost his Life that day was the FBI's best shooter. Practiced continuously for years, for this type of encounter. He was rendered blind and useless when his prescription glasses flew off his face. No, he didn't carry a spare set of glasses. No, his one pair had no retention strap on them.
SCEMan
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I remember watching this on TV as I worked from home on the other side of town. I was an FFL then and used to shop at the B&B Gun Shop where the cops got AR15s. Game changer in LEO armament and tactics.
www.police1.com
How the North Hollywood shootout changed policing
More than 300 outgunned LEOs from five agencies, fighting for their lives, fired more than 550 rounds
www.police1.com
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There were two mass shootings, within 7 years, where I used to live.
For one of them I was outside and heard just tons of sirens, never before did I hear anything like that.
Then it was breaking news on TV about the mass shooting in Brookfield.
Both were approx. 5 minute drive from me.
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
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same Brookfield, WI where Milwaukee Tool is headquartered
There were two mass shootings, within 7 years, where I used to live.
For one of them I was outside and heard just tons of sirens, never before did I hear anything like that.
Then it was breaking news on TV about the mass shooting in Brookfield.
Both were approx. 5 minute drive from me.
2005 Living Church of God shooting - Wikipedia
Azana Spa shooting - Wikipedia
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same Brookfield, WI where Milwaukee Tool is headquartered
alpg88
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Half the time people who start problems are either drunk or high on drugs, they feel no pain, unless it is a headshot, no way such characters stops advance. add heavy clothes....... and it becomes even harder to instastop such attacker, i do not care what % is on paper for .22 or .380. i'm not relying on it, that is why the only calibers I carry are .45 and .357. Never mind second shot, you may have only a chance for one.
IMA SOL MAN
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Even with a lethal shot, say, aorta or heart, it may take like three minutes for them to lose consciousness. In that time, they can kill you and many others. CNS shot is the only sure way to absolutely stop them instantly. So, a center of mass shot is going to have to penetrate clear through to the spine, and severe the spinal cord. Best is right between the eyes, but in the adrenaline rush of the moment, good luck hitting that. If you can do it, do it.
Since a CNS shot is low percentage chance, and you sure can't count on a psychological stop, especially with drugs or alcohol in so many cases, the fast exsanguination is what we have to work with. A through and through large caliber hole is going to provide the best chance of large blood flow outside the body. A .45 bullet expanded to .75, spinning through vital organs and exiting and leaving a nice .75 permanent wound cavity and exit wound would be better than not. But a .358 wadcutter wound channel and exit is better than none or a .22 wound that closes up on itself.
Precise bullet placement is best, penetration is second best. Expansion without penetration is no good.
Since a CNS shot is low percentage chance, and you sure can't count on a psychological stop, especially with drugs or alcohol in so many cases, the fast exsanguination is what we have to work with. A through and through large caliber hole is going to provide the best chance of large blood flow outside the body. A .45 bullet expanded to .75, spinning through vital organs and exiting and leaving a nice .75 permanent wound cavity and exit wound would be better than not. But a .358 wadcutter wound channel and exit is better than none or a .22 wound that closes up on itself.
Precise bullet placement is best, penetration is second best. Expansion without penetration is no good.
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Chance, in post #157 you were quoting this,,, identical as above.
In post#171 you posted the exact same thing, but didn't say as quote. > ?
If I did that, I'd expect you question that.
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Been thinking about ports on pistols, something's starting to come to mind.
could this effect rotation of bullet/velocity??
Really not the same as muzzle break on rifles
It there's no rifling from comp. to end of barrel including a possible point of drag at comp.
it's hard not to ask questions on compensator port benefits.
I usually don't walk back things, this may be one of them
Been thinking about ports on pistols, something's starting to come to mind.
could this effect rotation of bullet/velocity??
Really not the same as muzzle break on rifles
It there's no rifling from comp. to end of barrel including a possible point of drag at comp.
it's hard not to ask questions on compensator port benefits.
I usually don't walk back things, this may be one of them
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SCEMan
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In my experience there's a definite benefit in muzzle rise with a compensated barrel port due to upward vented gas and compensator weight. The greater the velocity the more the benefit.
Back in '90, I handloaded my .45 "Pin Gun" with 155 gr. SWC at 1170 fps. for IPSC Bowling Pin events.
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IMA SOL MAN
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1170 fps out of a .45 ACP?! WOW! That was one hot load! What powder were you using? Any signs of overpressure? How many times could you reload the brass?
SCEMan
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That was a loooong time ago but my old log says, 6.9 grs. Bullseye. No pressure issues & mild recoil with the comp. Probably only used 1x fired cases for this loads.
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What would you take for that 1911 and 100 rounds of your custom loads?
somewhat kidding, I know it's a keeper
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Most of my 10mm ammo is Fiocchi (180gr)
In my 5.25" barrel Springfield it'll do right near 1300fps,, bought those on sale years ago for $17.99 box/50
Traveled to two different cities to get it because the local store was bought out by,,, me
Have a few boxes of those in JHP also
What would you take for that 1911 and 100 rounds of your custom loads?
somewhat kidding, I know it's a keeper
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Most of my 10mm ammo is Fiocchi (180gr)
In my 5.25" barrel Springfield it'll do right near 1300fps,, bought those on sale years ago for $17.99 box/50
Traveled to two different cities to get it because the local store was bought out by,,, me
Have a few boxes of those in JHP also
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Poppy
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The US military officially adopted the 9mm Beretta M9 pistol in 1985, replacing the .45 ACP M1911A1 as its standard sidearm. This transition was primarily driven by the need for standardization with NATO allies and the logistical advantages of the smaller, lighter 9mm cartridge, which allowed for higher magazine capacity.
IIRC in that 1986 shootout, the perps wore body armour. A 38 special wouldn't penetrate.
Under stress, one acts like he trains. After the shooting, one of the officers' pockets had a number of empty cartridges in it. When he trained, he emptied his gun and placed the spent cartridges into his pocket.
I suspect that the bulk of LEOs departments made the switch to 9mm for the same reason that the Army did. I don't think it had anything to do with the ability of the weaker sex being able to handle recoil of other rounds. I think it is a pretty widely accepted fact that women are often better shots than their male counter parts.
IIRC in that 1986 shootout, the perps wore body armour. A 38 special wouldn't penetrate.
Under stress, one acts like he trains. After the shooting, one of the officers' pockets had a number of empty cartridges in it. When he trained, he emptied his gun and placed the spent cartridges into his pocket.
I suspect that the bulk of LEOs departments made the switch to 9mm for the same reason that the Army did. I don't think it had anything to do with the ability of the weaker sex being able to handle recoil of other rounds. I think it is a pretty widely accepted fact that women are often better shots than their male counter parts.
