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IMA SOL MAN

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Finally got all the circuitry in-place for using my pair of Pecron E1500LFP's each with the max of 2 cascaded batteries attached. Each one has about 5.7 KW "usable", 7680 raw capacity. The full/true sine wave inverter is rated at 2200 Watts with a surge of 4000 Watts. All batteries are automotive style Lithium Iron Phosphate chemistry good for 3500 cycles to 80% of original capacity. I am connecting them utilizing a basement located second whole house generator connector that is in Parallel with my existing exterior whole house generator inlet but wired for only one phase. The whole house connector located outside is for my Honda 7000i and also for my Honda 2200 inverter generator. When I installed my new Square D 225 AMP service entrance panel 2 years ago, I gave the electrician a breaker-by-breaker assignment for the circuits so that the circuits I wanted on single/120V phase stand-by power would all be on one phase while staying reasonably balanced with the two phases. I installed the factory Square D generator interlock. The furnace ended up on the non-powered 120V phase so I am using the second Pecron to run that with a simple extension cord. This also puts less load on the primary Pecron so it will last longer. I began our test run today at 10 AM. At 430 PM, I have 57% remaining on the whole house unit and 89% remaining on the furnace unit. This includes a 40 minute Breville countertop oven run using 1600 Watts on the whole house unit. I watched the consumption of the main unit when the Breville was started. It quickly increased by about 1600 Watts through preheat. Then the oven regulates power to stay at temperature. It does not cycle to maintain temp. I like that feature. The food stays very close, if not right on temp. I also got lucky when I bought our Profile frige 13 years ago. It utilizes a DC driven, soft start compressor. There is no high inrush current, it just slowly spins up. It uses about 125 Watts when running. There is very little fan noise in the basement from the two units and zero fan noise throughout the house. I think conservatively we will get 10 hours normal "day" use out of the main unit and close to 3 days out of the furnace dedicated unit depending on outside temps. What's also nice is that the Pecrons can be charged while being used. They have an on-board 1400 Watt charger and can utilize generator power to charge the batteries and also that power can be passed through into the AC output. So my idea is to use my Honda 2200i during long-term outages to recharge the main unit when its running and hits 20% remaining capacity. I won't be running the genny and using a lot of gas to power 400-500 Watts for many hours. I'll run it for about 3.5 hours at a 2000 Watt load to recharge and pass through power to satisfy the load and then shut it down. These units have 2 separate solar charge controllers built in good for 1400 Watts combined and as with house charging power, can be charging and feeding load while the unit is in operation. There are tons of DC output connectors on the front panel. Cig outlet, 6 USB outlets, some high power, some not and an XT60 connector good for 30 Amps of DC current output. Even a wireless charger platform on the top for your phone. There's a phone ap to monitor the status of the units. I have not found any feature to turn them on or off, just to monitor output and remaining capacity.

In my future, Pecron is releasing their E3000LFP in the next few months. It has an on-board 3072 Watt Hour battery and it's inverter is rated at 3600 Watts. An additional 4 each, 3072 Watt hour cascaded batteries can be accommodated giving a gross KWh capacity of 15.4 and a net capacity of 12.3 KWr. This is what I plan to use for the whole house unit. I'd estimate this will give me about 24 hours of "day" use between charges so probably two running days. The E1500LFP furnace unit will stay in that usage mode. The spare E1500LFP will probably come in the house for whatever use crops up although pretty much everything is covered except the built-in Profile oven with attached microwave. But that entire unit is 240 Volt so out of the picture with any of my battery backup systems. That's the reason for the Breville oven.

Yes, I have a ton of backup options. I decided to add the Pecron system only because I just love playing with batteries. I get a lot of enjoyment watching the clean and silent system work. I would love a roof solar system with battery backup and automatic transfer switch but I refuse to have any holes put in my pristine roo

Curiously, It would be fun to know if the HF generators being made at the well known American name generators factory are being made using the same specs and parts as the American brand or just being made in the same factory which really means little. Would be interesting to see if you can find that out and report back.
Yeah, I know that the BF Goodrich tires that Walmart sells are not sold by BF Goodrich dealers, they are manufactured strictly for Walmart, and exclusively available from them. I tried to warranty a Walmart BFG tire at a BFG dealership, and got schooled on the matter. Not sure how I feel about that, but there are a lot of Walmarts nationwide, so getting them warranteed isn't a problem, but I imagine they are manufactured to Walmart specs to hit a certain price point/profit margin. I imagine it would be the same type of thing with Harbor Freight gensets.
 

KITROBASKIN

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@KITROBASKIN I'm really surprised at all the great reviews and commentary on the Predator generators.
Yes, and I have read reports here and on diysolarforum saying HF's generators are a good value, though some models are reported not as good, so be advised.

If BF Goodrich has their name on Walmart tires then their reputation is on the line, though it would seem we usually get what we pay for, in highly competitive categories.

No surprise that a BF Goodrich dealer would have rather made the sale than Walmart…
 

IMA SOL MAN

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Yes, and I have read reports here and on diysolarforum saying HF's generators are a good value, though some models are reported not as good, so be advised.

If BF Goodrich has their name on Walmart tires then their reputation is on the line, though it would seem we usually get what we pay for, in highly competitive categories.

No surprise that a BF Goodrich dealer would have rather made the sale than Walmart…
Well, they don't sell the same model that Walmart sells, so he couldn't replace it. I didn't know that when I bought them at Walmart, or when I went to the BFG dealer. Now I know. So it may be branded BF Goodrich, maybe manufactured by them, or perhaps some generic Asian manufacturer that BFG licensed to brand it with their logo for Walmart's exclusive sales. These global companies...you have to be half detective and half blood hound to figure out who made what.
 

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I believe that Weber BBQ grills, makes them with Stainless steel, or Porcelain coated cast iron grill grates, but for the Home Depot, they make them with porcelain coated steel, to meet the HD price point.

After reading a review by a 18 wheeler who ran his Harborfreight 3500 watt inverter predator 24 hours a day for a year without an issue, I bought one. I won't put that many hours on mine in my life time.

They might have a loyal following because their prices have remained fairly steady. You can regularly get GE, Champion, and Wen for about $100 less. Maybe at an even greater discount.
 

therock

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Nice to see the heavy hitter's setups. Mine is loud but for emergencies who cares.

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kilogulf59

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@therock you have a nice setup there. My home has the CB panel on the east side and everything else, deck, front porch, and garage, on the west. It really is a terrible layout, but that's another story.
What's your run time and do you have an auxiliary gas tank hooked up?
 

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This morning I was up at 5:00 AM, it was still dark out. It was pouring rain.

The power went out. I was delighted that my auto on emergency lights lite up so that I wasn't in total darkness. I was on my notebook computer, and that stayed on, but the TV turned off.

After a couple of minutes I started thinking... darn, if I had a battery powered inverter, I could turn the TV back on. I'm not about to go out in that pouring rain to set up the generator. After a few minutes, the power came back on, but it was off long enough for me to decide to get either a Ryobi inverter to go with my 18v plus one batteries, or maybe a 18Ah 12v LiFePO4 battery and a 300 watt inverter.
I decided to get a Ryobi Plus One inverter for my 18V batteries.

With a 6Ah battery, it ran my 55" TV (I measured with a Kill-a-watt at an 85 watt draw) for 55 minutes. I estimate that the inverter/battery combo delivered 74% efficiency.

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Poppy- I'm debating a 9ah, just for the continuous runtime aspect. It completely throws off tool balance, etc. but as a prep, it might be nice. Devil's advocate says it's expensive per aH, however.. 4's and 6's are the sweet spot.
 

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Poppy- I'm debating a 9ah, just for the continuous runtime aspect. It completely throws off tool balance, etc. but as a prep, it might be nice. Devil's advocate says it's expensive per aH, however.. 4's and 6's are the sweet spot.
@scout24 I feel your pain :)

I'm already considering getting another inverter. My router and TV are in different rooms, and I think running an extension cord may add too much resistance. The router takes about 15 watts, so I could run that on a 2Ah battery for the same amount of time, maybe more.

Otherwise I could run the tv and a powered TV antennae to pull in about 40 over the air channels. All I would need to do is add a three plug splitter to the inverter.

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I decided to get a Ryobi Plus One inverter for my 18V batteries.

With a 6Ah battery, it ran my 55" TV (I measured with a Kill-a-watt at an 85 watt draw) for 55 minutes. I estimate that the inverter/battery combo delivered 74% efficiency.
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Hold onto your wallet!

Before you know it, you'll be looking at two 200W solar panels to charge your 200Ah LFP battery..
to connect to your 1500W pure wave inverter :)
 

FastTurtle

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OK, got me a nice, fresh, cup of java, so here goes...

First thing is I want to say is thank you for all the assistance and advice. Hearing from people with real experience is far better than guess work, sales pitches, or half baked on-line reviews.

Considering my outage history here, over the last 18½-years, for me a standby whole-house generator setup would be a waste. That's not to say something won't change in the future, however a plan's got to be based upon a given set of circumstances not "what ifs". Therefore, with that said, I would like something, just in case.

Doing some brief research on Predator/Harbor Freight generators, it seems they're made in California? Is that correct? As well, I didn't come across many bad reviews so can I assume Predator's are a fairly good generator? Man, there's so many generator makes out there it's hard to choose. Honda's are great but they are way overpriced, IMO. Please understand, I'm not cheap, I'm thrifty/frugal. The way I see it is, to use an automotive analogy, I don't need a Rolls Royce to go to the grocery store and run errands, all I need is a Ford or Chevy. Nevertheless, I most certainly do not want a Yugo.

What I have decided on is a small to medium size, gas powered, inverter generator and either extension cords (I would need LONG ones) or a hookup on my circuit breaker panel like Poppy mentioned. I'd like to have three to five days worth of gas on hand, which I can easily run through our trucks so as to always have a fresh supply. Also, I know enough about engines to know you have to maintain them and run them once in a while. Any-who, that seems like the best solution (for my situation) and also the least expensive one.

If I was buying a new generator today, I'd look at a duel fuel (Gas/Propane) that has the connector for a propane tank due to many of the convience features propane offers. The main one is you don't have to refresh the fuel every six months like with Gas and Stabil, tanks don't rot and you can connect a larger tank for extended run times if needed.
 

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LP is safe, no hassle, and literally stores forever, but it doesn't last long when in use. Diesel's great for power and efficiency, safer than gasoline, but I'd have no way to recycle my supply. Gasoline, for me, would be the way to go as I have an outbuilding for storage and I can recycle it through our trucks. That's been the gist of my research.

Our furnace runs on LP and so we have a 500 gal. tank. I'm looking to buy another one but they're like hen's teeth. The LP companies don't want you to own tanks. It's more profitable for them to have you locked in to them. They like 500 gal. tanks because most people will need, at least, one fill up during winter. That's when the prices are through the roof. If I can get another 500, then I'd definitely go with a duel fuel. Options are nice to have. Then again, I probably could get a couple of 100 gal. tanks and those should get me a few days run time. See, every time I turn around, there's something else to consider.

Pretty much I have decided upon a set up similar to what therock has (shown in post #1646). That's the least hassle all the way around. Extension cords could work, however I'd have to put a plug on my furnace and well. Of course, buy cords and I'd still have to get/store fuel.
 

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If I was buying a new generator today, I'd look at a duel fuel (Gas/Propane) that has the connector for a propane tank due to many of the convience features propane offers. The main one is you don't have to refresh the fuel every six months like with Gas and Stabil, tanks don't rot and you can connect a larger tank for extended run times if needed.
I bought a Honda EM4500 in 1985. It was used for 2 years than sat more or less except for a 6-9 month test run every year. I had the same batch of gas with Stabil in it in the tank for 13 years with no issues running or rusting/leaking. I sold it looking almost like new a couple years ago.
 
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